Are They Hall of Famers? – The Second Baseman Edition

We at Sox and Dawgs decided to start taking a look at some current players to see if they could gain election to Hall of Fame. In this series, we’re going to look at players who are currently active who have reasonable consideration to be a Hall nominee. This isn’t a science and you may have others on your list that we left off. There are some fine young players who are just starting their careers who may have Hall potential but for arguments sake these are for guys who have been around a bit or those few outstanding younger players who just jump off the page at you.

In this series we’re going to look at the players by position as compared to Hall members of that position. The position is the primary position of the player through his career. If he played a significant amount of games in another position that will be listed next to his name. Some of the guys we will look at over time have endured position changes, but because the majority of their career was at one position over another we have chosen that as the position in which they are being considered.

The fifth category we will look at is second baseman.

The Baseball Hall of Fame second baseman we are going to use for comparison are:

Rod Carew 19 years, 2469 G, 9315 AB, 1424 R, 3053 H, 445 2B, 112 3B, 92 HR, 1015 RBI, .328 BA, .393 OBP, .429 SLG, 18 All-star teams, ROY, 1 MVP, 7 Batting Titles, Hits leader 3x

Joe Morgan 22 years, 2649 G, 9277 AB, 1650 R, 2517 H, 449 2B, 96 3B, 268 HR, 1133 RBI, .271 BA, .392 OBP, .427 SLG, 10 All-star teams, 2 MVPs, 1 All-star game MVP, 6 Gold Gloves, 1 Silver Slugger

Jackie Robinson 10 years, 1382 G, 4877 AB, 947 R, 1518 H, 273 2B, 54 3B, 137 HR, 734 RBI, .311 BA, .409 OBP, .474 SLG, 6 All-star teams, ROY, 1 MVP, 1 Batting Title

Bill Mazeroski 17 years, 2163 G, 7755 AB, 769 R, 2016 H, 294 2B, 62 3B, 138 HR, 853 RBI, .260 BA, .299 OBP, .367 SLG, 7 All-star teams, 8 Gold Gloves

We have two possible candidates for the Hall, with one having played significant games in other positions:

Their stats are current as of July 12, 2007.

Craig Biggio (C/CF) 20th year, 2789 G, 10,679 AB, 1826 R, 3013 H, 661 2B, 55 3B, 286 HR, 1154 RBI, .282 BA, .365 OBP, .435 SLG, 7 All-star teams, 5 Silver Sluggers, 4 Gold Gloves

Jeff Kent 16th year, 2122 G, 7862 AB, 1250 R, 2272 H, 521 2B, 46 3B, 355 HR, 1421 RBI, .289 BA, .356 OBP, .502 SLG, 5 All-star teams, 4 Silver Sluggers, 1 MVP,

In my book Biggio is in. I have heard actual BBWAA Hall of Fame voters say they will vote for him on his first ballot. I think he is truly deserving not only for his 3,000+ hits but also for the fact that this guy changed positions from catcher to outfield to second over the course of his career. It’s not an easy thing to do and most players who change their position aren’t Hall of Famers. The exceptions that come to mind are Pete Rose, Robin Yount and Cal Ripken Jr. Yount and Ripken only moved once, Rose like Biggio moved a bunch of times. The players that move are usually the guys who are decent players who you want to keep around but you usually don’t give away a future HOF’s position to someone else. Biggio’s numbers fit with those of other second basemen. His BA, OBP, slugging percentage all match up well.

Usually when I do these I look at the numbers of the Hall members I’m using in the comparison first, then I look at the current player’s numbers. This time I did it the other way around and to be honest when I first looked at Kent’s numbers I felt he wasn’t Hall worthy. But his offensive numbers are better than Mazeroski’s in virtually the same amount of time and they are also similar to Morgan’s as well. If I were asked I’d have to say the best second basemen in baseball were Morgan and Robbie Alomar.

With that being said based on shear numbers, I think Kent could get in but he is going to have the ‘Jim Rice factor’ hanging on him too. That being, that he wasn’t a popular guy with the media or in Kent’s case his teammates as well. He isn’t as outgoing and personable as Biggio or Morgan and I think his relationships with the media and their perception of his clubhouse actions are going to hurt him. The other thing that hurts Kent is he has no gold Gloves, while Biggio has four. Carew didn’t have any either but his batting titles made him stand out. Kent, to me, is going to be one of those tough sells. He may eventually get in but I think it will take him a while.

2007 Picnic In The Park Auction Items

The Red Sox players and wives along with the Red Sox Foundation are bringing you a Picnic in the Park after the game today, weather permitting. They will be auctioning off some once-in-a-lifetime opportunities. If you are unable to attend, you can still bid on the following items by submitting a proxy form found here by 3 PM this afternoon.

  • Hit a Hole in One: A golf cart signed by the 2007 Red Sox.
  • On the Hunt with Mike Timlin and Tim Wakefield
  • Catch a Slice with Pitcher Mike Timlin
  • Catch a Slice with Third Baseman Mike Lowell
  • Domo Arigato, Mr. Matsuzaka… And 2 great tickets to a Red Sox home game
  • A Private Dinner with the Schillings Family at their Home – Plus Yankees Tickets
  • Can you spell “Wild Thing”?
  • An Unforgettable Labor Day with Captain Jason Varitek
  • Be a Gamer with Second Baseman Dustin Pedroia
  • For the Red Sox Loving Family
  • You Too Can Swing Like Kevin Youkilis
  • Relax! Art and Massage – a Double Play!
  • Your Very Own Picnic
  • All Star Meet & Greet with Hideki Okajima
  • Have a Happy Red Sox Holiday

All proxy bids must be placed 3 PM. For more information head over to the Red Sox Foundation website.

Red Sox News & Notes – 7/15

 

Dice-K struggled with his command a little on Saturday night and even pitched primarily out of the stretch for an iinning or two. He was bailed out by Jason Varitek. Tek’s homer was the difference and revived the Red Sox bats on their way to a 9-4 win. Manny Delcarmen was nothing short of spectacular again last night and reallly seems to be taking to his role nicely. Is their a better back end of a bullpen right now? You have Delcarmen in the 7th, Hideki Okajima in the 8th inning and Jonathan Papelbon in the 9th. I really don’t think you can find a trio as dominant in the American League.Let’s take a look at the headlines from the Toronto and Boston area media on this Sunday morning.

Drill team reports. [Boston Globe]

A Beantown bashing. [Toronto Star]

Sox snap out of funk with all-around game. [Boston Herald]

A Little Tek Support. [Hartford Courant]

Inside the Monster: Fenway Park. [Toronto Star]

Boston turns on the power. [Pro Jo]

Another bang-up job from Varitek. [Boston Globe]

Big Papi adjusts: Fix leads to power surge. [Boston Herald]

If A-Rod Opts Out, Count Sox In. [Hartford Courant]

Delcarmen proving to be perfect bridge. [Pro Jo]

Donnelly is headed west for consultation. [Boston Globe]

It’s no stretch to say Dice still needs work. [Boston Herald]

Count on Boras being agent of concern. [Boston Globe]

Lugo starting to relax. [Boston Herald]

For more headlines and stories, head over to the Boston Globe, Boston Herald, Hartford Courant, Providence Journal, Toronto Star and Toronto Sun websites.

Sunday Stroll Around The Majors

Red Sox reliever Brendan Donnelly is heading to Anaheim to see Dr. Yocum.

Yankees CF Melky Cabrera didn’t start Saturday’s game because of flu-like symptoms.

Angel SS Orlando Cabrera is excited about David Beckham’s arrival.

Craig Biggio will be primarily sitting on the Astros bench for road games.

The Oakland A’s could use a power boost in their lineup.

Alex Rios and Vernon Wells are flourishing in their new spots in the Blue Jays lineup.

Andruw Jones and Brian McCann are starting to heat up for the Braves.

Brewers rookie Ryan Braun has his sights set on NL Rookie of the Year.

Cardinals slugger Albert Pujols is showing signs of his power once again.

Lou Pinella is juggling three catchers that weren’t on the Cubs opening day roster.

Al Reyes should return to the Devil Rays this week.

Jeff Salazar is still trying to earn his place on the Diamondbacks.

Dodgers ace Brad Penny’s finger is doing much better.

Giants slugger Barry Bonds will probably break the home run record at home.

Cleveland is looking for some middle relief help in their bullpen.

The Mariners called up Jake Woods.

Taylor Tankersley is back in the big leagues with the Marlins.

Mets pitcher Tom Glavine is closing in on 300 wins.

The Nationals are on the verge of calling up Alex Escobar.

The Orioles called up Jon Knott as they placed Melvin Mora on the 15 day DL.

Kevin Kouzmanoff has been more consistent at the plate for the Padres as of late.

Phillies 2B Chase Utley could be the best player in the NL right now.

Pirates pitcher Tony Armas has made some adjustments to his delivery.

The Rangers are exploring trades for Sammy Sosa.

Norris Hopper is leading the Reds with 6 bunt singles.

Matt Herges is adjusting to his role in the bullpen with the Rockies.

Royals SS Tony Pena, Jr. is batting 100 points higher at home.

Tigers catcher Ivan Rodriguez is appealing his one game suspension for bumping an umpire.

The Twins bullpen has been dominant as of late.

The White Sox have been struggling against lefties all season.

Could AROD Be in Boston in 2008?

From an article on MLB Trade Rumors, the Red Sox will definitely be one of the players in the Alex Rodriguez sweepstakes in the upcoming offseason. Word is Larry Lucchino, otherwise known as LL around these parts, is willing to do what it takes to get this done.

According to Bill Madden and Mark Feinsand, the Red Sox will make a “huge push” for Alex Rodriguez this winter if he opts out of his contract. The New York Daily News writers heard this from multiple sources.

Madden and Feinsand’s source seems to indicate the push for A-Rod would be driven by team president and CEO Larry Lucchino. In other words, this wil go past Theo Epstein (Buster Olney indicated today that he’d be loathe to tie up 20% of the payroll in one player).

The Red Sox entered 2007 with a $143MM payroll, up $23MM from 2006. Here are the major changes we can expect for 2008:

Additions:
$2MM more for Manny Ramirez
$1MM more for Julio Lugo
$2MM more for Daisuke Matsuzaka
$3.5MM more for Josh Beckett
$1.25MM more for Coco Crisp

An additional $9.75MM in escalating salaries

Subtractions:
$13MM for Curt Schilling
9.5MM for Matt Clement
$9MM for Mike Lowell
$2.81MM for Eric Hinske
$4MM for Joel Pineiro
$2.8MM for Mike Timlin

$41.11MM off the books

The Red Sox are essentially gaining $31MM to play with for 2008, if they are to keep payroll around $143MM. That gels nicely with the expected salary of Rodriguez. And the team isn’t overflowing with needs – they could conceivably just replace Schilling with Clay Buchholz and keep Julian Tavarez around as the fifth starter. And maybe they’ll toss another $6MM or so toward crappy veteran relievers. The trio of Papelbon, Okajima, and Delcarmen could be cheap and effective.

Bottom line: the Red Sox could sign A-Rod this winter and enter 2008 with a reasonable $150MM payroll (less than a 5% increase and still far less than the Yankees).

As much as I hate AROD, I really only hate him wearing the pinstripes. I could care less for his off the field troubles and his postseason success leaves little to be desired. But how could you not want him in your lineup. Imagine if you will a 3-4-5 combination of Big Papi, Manny and AROD. There’s the potential right there for over 120 homeruns and 400 RBI from the middle of your lineup.

By the time AROD is done playing, he will probably be the best player of our generation if he already isn’t. And looking at what the article says, it really wouldn’t put a huge dent in the Sox payroll. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the offseason but for right now the focus should be and is winning the World Series in 2007.

The Captain Saves Dice-K, Sox Win 9-4

The Captain, Jason Varitek, launched a 2-run homer in the 6th inning to help propel the Red Sox past the Blue Jays 9-4 on a beautiful night at the Fens. Daisuke Matsuzaka had given up 3 runs in the top half of the 6th, allowing the Jays to tie the game. But the homer got the Sox jump started in the 6th as they scored 5 runs in all to put the Jays away.

David Ortiz got the Red Sox started in the 1st inning. After Jays starter Dustin McGowan got the first two outs of the inning, Big Papi crushed a McGowan fastball on a 3-0 count into the Jays bullpen putting the Sox up 1-0. Manny Ramirez struck out looking to end the first.

Dice-K had a relatively easy 1st inning. Vernon Wells led off with a double but was left there as Dice-K got Reed Johnson, Alex Rios and Frank Thomas to fly out. He got himself into a little trouble in the 2nd inning but worked out of it. Troy Glaus led off the inning with a single and he was thrown out by Manny trying to stretch it out into a double. Replays showed that Dustin Pedroia never got the tag on Glaus. Glaus was dumbfounded as no one from the Jays dugout came out to argue. Dice-K then walked Lyle Overbay and Aaron Hill followed with a single advancing Overbay to second base. Dice-K settled back in and got Greg Zaun to pop out and John McDonald to ground out.

Dice-K had another easy odd numbered inning. He got Wells to ground out and Johnson to strikeout, one of Dice-K’s two strikeouts on the night. He then walked Rios and Rios went to second on a Varitek passed ball with Thomas at the plate. The battery mates seemed to have their signals crossed and after a meeting between the two, Dice-K got Thomas to fly out to Coco Crisp in center for the third out of the inning.

After Eric Hinske, filling in for the injured J.D. Drew, made the first out of the 3rd inning, Julio Lugo singled, one of his three hits on the night. Lugo would come around to score the second run of the night for the Sox on a Crisp triple to the triangle in center. With the infield in, Pedroia grounded out to Overbay at first with Coco staying at third. Big Papi would bring home Crisp with a ground rule double that was almost a homerun. The run gave the Sox a 3-0 lead. McGowan then intentionally walked Manny to face Kevin Youkilis. Youkilis grounded into a fielder’s choice to end the inning.

The Jays would get a run back in the 4th. Glaus led off the inning with a mammoth blast to left field that hit the V in the Volvo sign above the Green Monster. Overbay flew out to center for the first out. Aaron Hill then crushed a fastball to deep center for a double. Dice-K was having trouble locating his pitches again as the ball to Hill was supposed to be outside but was left over the inner half of the plate. Hill would be stranded at third as Zaun popped out to Lowell at third and McDonald struck out swinging.

The Sox got the run back in the 4th for Dice-K. After Lowell and Varitek made the first two outs of the inning, Hinske crushed a McGowan offering into his former team’s bullpen putting the lead back at 3 runs (4-1). Lugo followed that with a single and stole second with Coco at the plate. Crisp would work a walk off of McGowan but Pedroia grounded out to end the 4th.

Toronto struck for three runs in the 6th inning. Thomas led off with a double off of Dice-K and was brought home on a Glaus double, cutting the lead to 4-2. Overbay got Glaus to third on a ground out to Youk at first. Hill would bring himself and Glaus home as he crushed a slider from Dice-K into the Green Monster seats tying the game at 4. Dice-K settled back in and got Zaun and McDonald out to end the inning.

Varitek and his Bosox teammates would bail out Dice-K in the 6th inning. After Lowell led off the inning with a single, Varitek crushed a ball into the bleachers for a 2-run homer, making it 6-4 Sox. The Captain’s homer would chase McGowan from the game. Brian Tallet came in and got Hinske to strikeout. Lugo then bunted his way on and Crisp worked a walk off of Tallet. Pedroia brought in Lugo with the seventh run of the game for the Sox with a single. With Big Papi at the plate, Crisp and Pedroia executed a double steal to perfection, putting themselves at second and third respectively. This took the bat out of Big Papi’s hands as he was intentionally walked. Brian Wolfe relieved Tallet. Manny hit a sacrifice fly bringing Coco and making it 8-4. Youk brought in Pedroia with a single of his own for the ninth and final run for the Sox. Wolfe got Lowell to strikeout swinging ending the big inning for the Sox.

Manny Delcarmen took over for Dice-K in the 7th and was absolutely dominating. He got Wells to ground out to Lugo and then struck out Johnson and Rios. In the 8th, he was masterful again. He got Thomas to strike out and Glaus to foul out for the first two outs. He then gave up a single to Overbay but got Hill to strikeout swinging.

Dice-K pitched 6 innings, gave up 9 hits, 4 runs, 2 walks and struck out 2 Blue Jays. Hideki Okajima came in and worked the 9th, only allowing a single to Wells.

The win tonight was Dice-K’s 11th on the season and helped the Sox preserve their 10 game lead over the Yankees who won tonight in Tampa. Josh Beckett will take the ball tomorrow in search of his 13th win.

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Dale Jr., Budweiser Parting Ways

Dale Earnhardt Jr. announced that he and Budweiser will be parting ways at the end of the 2007 NASCAR season. His personal services contract does run through 2008 but due to the fact that Hendricks Motorsports has commitments with other sponsors, all parties involved felt this was in their best interests.

Budweiser will still be active in NASCAR next season as they have their hopes pinned on signing Kasey Kahne, who drives for Ray Evernham. He is currently sponsored by Dodge.

“Budweiser has sponsored Dale Jr. for nearly a decade, and we wish him the very best,” said Tony Ponturo, vice president of global media and sports marketing for Anheuser-Busch Inc. “Budweiser will remain an active sponsor of NASCAR, and we look forward to building upon the legacy of the iconic Budweiser red car in 2008 and beyond.”

This what Dale Jr. had to say:

“Although Budweiser and I will be unable to continue our partnership beyond this season, I remain committed to driving for Bud the rest of this year,” Earnhardt said. “I’m a race car driver. All I can do is drive as hard as I can for my fans and sponsorship partners and give my best effort each weekend.”

Earnhardt said he had some regrets about splitting with the Budweiser brand, but he’s excited to see what new sponsorship deals the team will put together.

“We felt like we possibly only accomplished half of what we could do together, so that part of it’s kind of unfortunate,” Earnhardt said before qualifying at Chicagoland Speedway. “Sure, I would have loved to continue working with Bud. But under the circumstances, that’s not a possibility. We’ll have to change our frame of mind and see what the possibilities are for our primary sponsors next year. Those should be in line with what I like and what I enjoy, and I’m excited to put that together.”

Don’t worry though, Earnhardt said he will still drink Bud. Look for Little E to be sponsored by Pepsico next season.

Giambi Meets With Mitchell

Just one day after it was announced that Jason Giambi would meet with Bud Selig’s hired henchman George Mitchell, it happened. Giambi met with Mitchell yesterday and probably discussed his personal steriod usage.Why probably? No one is commenting about what was said. Giambi was the first active player to meet with Mitchell about the steroid problem in baseball.

Besides Giambi and Mitchell, there were some other lawyer type people there. My guess is that unless Giambi said he used steroids since testing has begun, he is probably free and clear. Or is that free and cream?