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Are They Hall of Famers? – The Second Baseman Edition

We at Sox and Dawgs decided to start taking a look at some current players to see if they could gain election to Hall of Fame. In this series, we’re going to look at players who are currently active who have reasonable consideration to be a Hall nominee. This isn’t a science and you may have others on your list that we left off. There are some fine young players who are just starting their careers who may have Hall potential but for arguments sake these are for guys who have been around a bit or those few outstanding younger players who just jump off the page at you.

In this series we’re going to look at the players by position as compared to Hall members of that position. The position is the primary position of the player through his career. If he played a significant amount of games in another position that will be listed next to his name. Some of the guys we will look at over time have endured position changes, but because the majority of their career was at one position over another we have chosen that as the position in which they are being considered.

The fifth category we will look at is second baseman.

The Baseball Hall of Fame second baseman we are going to use for comparison are:

Rod Carew 19 years, 2469 G, 9315 AB, 1424 R, 3053 H, 445 2B, 112 3B, 92 HR, 1015 RBI, .328 BA, .393 OBP, .429 SLG, 18 All-star teams, ROY, 1 MVP, 7 Batting Titles, Hits leader 3x

Joe Morgan 22 years, 2649 G, 9277 AB, 1650 R, 2517 H, 449 2B, 96 3B, 268 HR, 1133 RBI, .271 BA, .392 OBP, .427 SLG, 10 All-star teams, 2 MVPs, 1 All-star game MVP, 6 Gold Gloves, 1 Silver Slugger

Jackie Robinson 10 years, 1382 G, 4877 AB, 947 R, 1518 H, 273 2B, 54 3B, 137 HR, 734 RBI, .311 BA, .409 OBP, .474 SLG, 6 All-star teams, ROY, 1 MVP, 1 Batting Title

Bill Mazeroski 17 years, 2163 G, 7755 AB, 769 R, 2016 H, 294 2B, 62 3B, 138 HR, 853 RBI, .260 BA, .299 OBP, .367 SLG, 7 All-star teams, 8 Gold Gloves

We have two possible candidates for the Hall, with one having played significant games in other positions:

Their stats are current as of July 12, 2007.

Craig Biggio (C/CF) 20th year, 2789 G, 10,679 AB, 1826 R, 3013 H, 661 2B, 55 3B, 286 HR, 1154 RBI, .282 BA, .365 OBP, .435 SLG, 7 All-star teams, 5 Silver Sluggers, 4 Gold Gloves

Jeff Kent 16th year, 2122 G, 7862 AB, 1250 R, 2272 H, 521 2B, 46 3B, 355 HR, 1421 RBI, .289 BA, .356 OBP, .502 SLG, 5 All-star teams, 4 Silver Sluggers, 1 MVP,

In my book Biggio is in. I have heard actual BBWAA Hall of Fame voters say they will vote for him on his first ballot. I think he is truly deserving not only for his 3,000+ hits but also for the fact that this guy changed positions from catcher to outfield to second over the course of his career. It’s not an easy thing to do and most players who change their position aren’t Hall of Famers. The exceptions that come to mind are Pete Rose, Robin Yount and Cal Ripken Jr. Yount and Ripken only moved once, Rose like Biggio moved a bunch of times. The players that move are usually the guys who are decent players who you want to keep around but you usually don’t give away a future HOF’s position to someone else. Biggio’s numbers fit with those of other second basemen. His BA, OBP, slugging percentage all match up well.

Usually when I do these I look at the numbers of the Hall members I’m using in the comparison first, then I look at the current player’s numbers. This time I did it the other way around and to be honest when I first looked at Kent’s numbers I felt he wasn’t Hall worthy. But his offensive numbers are better than Mazeroski’s in virtually the same amount of time and they are also similar to Morgan’s as well. If I were asked I’d have to say the best second basemen in baseball were Morgan and Robbie Alomar.

With that being said based on shear numbers, I think Kent could get in but he is going to have the ‘Jim Rice factor’ hanging on him too. That being, that he wasn’t a popular guy with the media or in Kent’s case his teammates as well. He isn’t as outgoing and personable as Biggio or Morgan and I think his relationships with the media and their perception of his clubhouse actions are going to hurt him. The other thing that hurts Kent is he has no gold Gloves, while Biggio has four. Carew didn’t have any either but his batting titles made him stand out. Kent, to me, is going to be one of those tough sells. He may eventually get in but I think it will take him a while.

Sunday Stroll Around The Majors

Red Sox reliever Brendan Donnelly is heading to Anaheim to see Dr. Yocum.

Yankees CF Melky Cabrera didn’t start Saturday’s game because of flu-like symptoms.

Angel SS Orlando Cabrera is excited about David Beckham’s arrival.

Craig Biggio will be primarily sitting on the Astros bench for road games.

The Oakland A’s could use a power boost in their lineup.

Alex Rios and Vernon Wells are flourishing in their new spots in the Blue Jays lineup.

Andruw Jones and Brian McCann are starting to heat up for the Braves.

Brewers rookie Ryan Braun has his sights set on NL Rookie of the Year.

Cardinals slugger Albert Pujols is showing signs of his power once again.

Lou Pinella is juggling three catchers that weren’t on the Cubs opening day roster.

Al Reyes should return to the Devil Rays this week.

Jeff Salazar is still trying to earn his place on the Diamondbacks.

Dodgers ace Brad Penny’s finger is doing much better.

Giants slugger Barry Bonds will probably break the home run record at home.

Cleveland is looking for some middle relief help in their bullpen.

The Mariners called up Jake Woods.

Taylor Tankersley is back in the big leagues with the Marlins.

Mets pitcher Tom Glavine is closing in on 300 wins.

The Nationals are on the verge of calling up Alex Escobar.

The Orioles called up Jon Knott as they placed Melvin Mora on the 15 day DL.

Kevin Kouzmanoff has been more consistent at the plate for the Padres as of late.

Phillies 2B Chase Utley could be the best player in the NL right now.

Pirates pitcher Tony Armas has made some adjustments to his delivery.

The Rangers are exploring trades for Sammy Sosa.

Norris Hopper is leading the Reds with 6 bunt singles.

Matt Herges is adjusting to his role in the bullpen with the Rockies.

Royals SS Tony Pena, Jr. is batting 100 points higher at home.

Tigers catcher Ivan Rodriguez is appealing his one game suspension for bumping an umpire.

The Twins bullpen has been dominant as of late.

The White Sox have been struggling against lefties all season.

Friday’s Fast Walk Around the AL & NL West

Eric Byrnes is willing to take a discount to stay with the Diamondbacks after this season.

The Angels patience with their young players has paid off this season.

The Dodgers might not be buyers or sellers in the trade market this season.

Andrew Brown and J.J. Furmaniak hope to make the most of their opportunity with the A’s.

The Giants were very disappointed with their first half showing.

The Mariners hope to keep up what they started in the first half.

Padres pitcher David Wells was suspended 7 games by MLB for his outburst last Saturday.

Rangers owner Tom Hicks says he will only make trades if it benefits his team for the long-term.

Brian Fuentes might be placed on the DL by the Rockies.

Thursday’s Tiptoe Around the AL & NL Central

Brad Lidge will return to the Astros on Friday.

The Indians locked up Travis Hafner through the 2012 season.

The Brewers have their sights set on their first playoff trip since 1982.

The Royals have been showing signs of improvement since their rough start in April.

The Cardinals hope some of their DL players will return and help them turnaround their season.

The Tigers strong lineup has made up for the injuries in the bullpen.

The Cubs mixture of youth and veteran players has gotten them thru the first half of the season.

Despite some injuries, the Twins hope to make a push for the playoffs.

The Pirates hope to have an even stronger second half than they did in 2006.

The White Sox “expect to win” in the second half.

Cincinnati is hoping to avoid a 100 loss season.

Wednesday’s Half Marathon Around the NL

Roy Oswalt is hoping the Astros get off to a hot start in the second half.

Braves catcher Brian McCann is thrilled to have played with his idols in the All-Star Game.

The Brew Crew’s success was on display in San Francisco for the All-Star Game.

Cardinals slugger Albert Pujols only participated in the Home Run Derby because of his son.

After being injured for most of 2006, Cubs slugger Derrek Lee set a goal of making the NL All-Star team and he fulfilled it last night.

The Diamondbacks All-Star trio had fun in San Francisco.

Dodgers ace Brad Penny was happy to have teammates with him at the All-Star Game.

Giants slugger Barry Bonds is ready for the challenge of breaking Hank Aaron’s record in the second half.

Marlins SS Hanley Ramirez was NL Player of the Week for July 2-8.

The Mets All-Stars were hoping to help end the NL’s skid in the All-Star Game.

Even playing with diabetes hasn’t slowed down the Nationals’ Dimitri Young this year.

Padres starter Chris Young enjoyed his time in San Francisco.

Chase Utley wanted to make sure he enjoyed his time at the All-Star Game.

The Pirates’ Freddy Sanchez is not afraid of the big stage.

Reds OF Ken Griffey, Jr has the utmost respect for the All-Star Game.

Rockies OF Matt Holliday and his brother had fun in the Home Run Derby.

Tuesday’s Half Marathon Around The AL

Red Sox slugger David Ortiz thought it was best to sit back and watch the Home Run Derby this year.

The non-Yankee All-Stars are looking forward to some time off during the break.

Bobby Jenks is honored to be the only person representing the White Sox at the All-Star Game.

Twins OF Torii Hunter could be a marked man at the All-Star Game this year.

The Tigers moved their clubhouse to San Francisco for the All-Star break.

Royals All-Star Gil Meche is enjoying his time in San Francisco for the All-Star game.

Mark Teixeira will return to the Rangers lineup on Friday.

Orioles 2B Brian Roberts is happy to be an All-Star again.

Ichiro Suzuki is very happy with the Mariners strong 1st half but hasn’t committed to playing there next year.

Indians pitcher C.C. Sabbathia isn’t upset about not starting the All-Star game.

Carl Crawford is the first Devil Ray with multiple All-Star selections in the club’s history.

Alex Rios is proud to be representing the Blue Jays at the All-Star game.

The Angels All-Stars all have different personalities.

2007 MLB All-Star Game Starting Lineups

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Well after all the suspense of waiting to see who the All-Star Game starting pitchers were going to be, it should come as no surprise that Dan Haren (AL) and Jake Peavy (NL) were chosen as the starters for their respective clubs.

Peavy, 9-3 with a 2.19 ERA, leads the National League with 125 strikeouts and is second in ERA. He leads the league in strikeouts per nine innings (9.45) and WHIP (1.06), and he leads the Major Leagues in opponents’ slugging percentage (.271). The Mobile, Ala., native has allowed only three home runs this season, and has walked just 34 batters.

Haren, 10-3 with a 2.30 ERA, leads the American League in ERA and is second in WHIP (1.00). Haren also leads the AL in opponents’ batting average (.205) and opponents’ slugging percentage (.327). He is second in the league in fewest hits per nine innings (6.75).

Here are the starting lineups for tomorrow’s All-Star Game:

American League lineup:
1. Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners, CF
2. Derek Jeter, Yankees, SS
3. David Ortiz, Red Sox, 1B
4. Alex Rodriguez, Yankees, 3B
5. Vladimir Guerrero, Angels, RF
6. Magglio Ordonez, Tigers, LF
7. Ivan Rodriguez, Tigers, C
8. Placido Polanco, Tigers, 2B
9. Dan Haren, A’s, P

National League batting order:
1. Jose Reyes, Mets, SS
2. Barry Bonds, Giants, LF
3. Carlos Beltran, Mets, CF
4. Ken Griffey Jr., Reds, RF
5. David Wright, Mets, 3B
6. Prince Fielder, Brewers, 1B
7. Russell Martin, Dodgers, C
8. Chase Utley, Phillies, 2B
9. Jake Peavey, Padres, P

Are They Hall of Famers? – The First Baseman Edition

We at Sox and Dawgs decided to start taking a look at some current players to see if they could gain election to Hall of Fame. In this series, we’re going to look at players who are currently active who have reasonable consideration to be a Hall nominee. This isn’t a science and you may have others on your list that we left off. There are some fine young players who are just starting their careers who may have Hall potential but for arguments sake these are for guys who have been around a bit or those few outstanding younger players who just jump off the page at you.

In this series we’re going to look at the players by position as compared to Hall members of that position. The position is the primary position of the player through his career. If he played a significant amount of games in another position that will be listed next to his name. Some of the guys we will look at over time have endured position changes, but because the majority of their career was at one position over another we have chosen that as the position in which they are being considered.

The fourth category we will look at is first baseman.

The Baseball Hall of Fame first baseman we are going to use for comparison are:

Jimmy Foxx 20 years, 2317 G, 8134 AB, 1751 R, 2646 H, 458 2B, 125 3B, 534 HR, 1922 RBI, .325 BA, .428 OBP, .609 SLG, 9 All-star teams, 3 MVPs, 1 Triple Crown, 2 Batting titles, Hr leader 4x, RBI leader 3x

Lou Gehrig 17 years, 2164 G, 8001 AB, 1888 R, 2721 H, 534 2B, 163 3B, 493 HR, 1995 RBI, .340 BA, .447 OBP, .632 SLG, 7 All-star teams, 2 MVPs, 1 Triple Crown, 1 Batting Title, Hit leader 1x, Hr leader 3x, RBI leader 5x

Hank Greenberg 13 years, 1394 G, 5193 AB, 1051 R, 1628 H, 379 2B, 71 3B, 331 HR, 1276 RBI, .313 BA, .412 OBP, .605 SLG, 5 All-Star teams, 2 MVPs, HR leader 4x, RBI leader 4x

Harmon Killebrew 22 years, 2435 G, 8147 AB, 1283 R, 2086 H, 290 2B, 24 3B, 573 HR, 1584 RBI, .256 BA, .376 OBP, .509 SLG, 11 All-star teams, 1 MVP, HR leader 6x, RBI leader 3x

Willie McCovey 22 years, 2588 G, 8197 AB, 1229 R, 2211 H, 353 2B, 46 3B, 521 HR, 1555 RBI, .274 BA, .374 OBP, .515 SLG, ROY, 6 All-star teams, 1 MVP, 1 All-star MVP, HR leader 3x, RBI leader 2x

We have five possible candidates for the Hall, with two having played significant games as a designated hitter:

Their stats are current as of July 7, 2007.

Jim Thome (DH) 17th year, 1941 G, 6595 AB, 1292 R, 1856 H, 358 2B, 24 3B, 485 HR, 1344 RBI, .281 BA, .410 OBP, .564 SLG, 3 All-star teams, 1 Silver Slugger, HR leader 1x

Todd Helton 11th year, 1508 G, 5402 AB, 1058 R, 1792 H, 433 2B, 31 3B, 293 HR, 1044 RBI, .332 BA, .431 OBP, .586 SLG, 5 All-star teams, 4 Silver Sluggers, 3 Gold Gloves, 1 Batting Title, Hit leader 1x, RBI leader 1x

Carlos Delgado 15th year, 1793 G, 6381 AB, 1100 R, 1788 H, 435 2B, 16 3B, 421 HR, 1336 RBI, .280 BA, .386 OBP, .551 SLG, 2 All-star teams, 3 Silver Sluggers, RBI leader 1x

Frank Thomas (DH) 18th year, 2180 G, 7698 AB, 1440 R, 2332 H, 469 2B, 11 3B, 501 HR, 1622 RBI, .303 BA, .423 OBP, .562 SLG, 5 All-star teams, 4 Silver Sluggers, 2 MVPs, 1 Batting title

Albert Pujols 7th season, 1017 G, 3796 AB, 797 R, 1254 H, 276 2B, 12 3B, 266 HR, 809 RBI, .330 BA, .418 OBP, .620 SLG, 5 All-star teams, 3 Silver Sluggers, ROY, 1 MVP, 1 NLCS MVP, 1 Gold Glove, 1 Batting title, Hits leader 1x

First of all, first baseman have some cool nicknames. Double XX, Iron Horse, Hammerin’ Hank, Killer, Stretch, The Big Hurt and Prince Albert. That being said, lets look at some numbers. Of the Hall members, I knew some of these guys were good but even I didn’t realize how good. My jaw dropped looking at the numbers for Foxx, Gehrig and Greenberg. The .600+ slugging percentage is truly unreal. Another thing about the top three guys is number of all-star teams they made.

Those numbers are low because the All-Star game wasn’t started until 1933 or 34 and those guys were already playing for a while before the event was even started. You could easily add another 5-8 all-star appearances for each guy. I used Killebrew and McCovey because I saw them in the twilight of their careers and always heard how good they were in their primes. I used them rather than some borderline guys like Tony Perez or Orlando Cepeda.

Now lets look at some current players we have on our list. To me the only guys who get in are Frank Thomas and Todd Helton. Thomas gets in on the power numbers with 500+ HR’s, 1600+ RBI plus he is a career .300 hitter has two MVPs and a batting crown. I doubt he gets to 3,000 hits because he is 600+ shy of it and he’d need another 4 years possibly to get there. Helton in my opinion gets in based on his all-around game. Hopefully he has another 6-8 years in him and he pads those numbers and gets closer to 3,000 hits. The thing that will help Helton is the defense he has 3 Gold Gloves, he also is a career .300 hitter with a .400+ OBP and a nearly .600 slugging percentage. In fact his slugging percentage is better than Thomas, Carlos Delgado and Jim Thome who we also looked at.

The borderline guy on this list is Thome. He has the HR numbers but he’s lacking in hits and batting average and doesn’t have any of those fancy trophies voters look for like MVPs or batting titles and surprisingly he only has one HR title, 1 Silver Slugger award and 3 all-star teams. He could end up with better overall numbers than McCovey and Killebrew but I still think he’s on the fence.

And if Thome is a borderline guy then Delgado is out. While a feared power hitter in his era he too doesn’t have the numbers. He has good power numbers but if you compare him to Greenberg who played two fewer seasons he’s just approaching and passing some of Hammerin’ Hank’s numbers but Delgado has played in 400 more games.

That brings us to Pujols. If Delgado is out, Thome is borderline and Helton and Thomas get in, then Prince Albert, if he continues on this pace, is about as dead cinch a lock as there ever will be. In just his 7th season he has 5 all-star appearances, 1 MVP and he finished second 3 times and third once. He also has a ROY, 1 Gold Glove, a batting title, was MVP of the NLCS and led the National League in hits once. By season’s end he will be near 300 HRs, have around 875 RBI in addition to being a career .300 hitter and sporting an outrageous .600+ slugging percentage that compares to Foxx and Gehrig. And he’s ONLY 27. Barring a tragic series of injuries ala Ken Griffey Jr., this guy is going to do some serious damage to the record books. If I’m going to pay good cash money to watch a game in person I think Albert Pujols would be the player I’d want to watch in person the most right now. Alex Rodriguez maybe the best player in the game but Pujols is pretty close to being his equal.

Monday Jog Around the AL & NL East

Red Sox slugger Manny Ramirez had a stomach bug but still is heading to San Francisco.

Braves OF Jeff Francoeur hit his 10th homerun on the second anniversary of his MLB debut.

The Blue Jays sent Curtis Thigpen back to Triple-A to make room for Lyle Overbay on the roster.

The Marlins are ready to make a push for the playoffs in the second half.

The Devil Rays gave Carl Crawford the day off on Sunday before he heads to San Francisco.

The Mets have set their post All-Star break pitching rotation.

Garret Olsen will get another chance to start for the Orioles after the All-Star break.

The Nationals bullpen is looking forward to the All-Star break.

Yankees 1B Andy Phillips is happy to be ‘having fun’ again after a rough start to the year.

The Phillies are glad they found Greg Dobbs on waivers in the offseason.

Sunday Stroll Around The Majors

Kevin Youkilis shouldn’t have to go on the DL for the Red Sox.

For Angels OF Vladimir Guerrero being in the Home Run Derby is an “honor”.

Houston’s Lance Berkman got the day off against Tom Glavine on Saturday.

A’s starter Dan Haren is still in the mix to start the All-Star game on Tuesday.

Blue Jays pitcher Roy Halladay is OK with being snubbed for the All-Star game.

The Braves’ Jarrod Saltalamacchia was back in the lineup after taking a foul tip to the head on Friday.

Brewers rookie 3B Ryan Braun is throwing his name into the NL Rookie of the Year mix.

Cardinals 3B Scott Rolen is trying find some consistency at the plate.

Mike Fontenot has been off to a hot start for the Cubs since being called up.

Devil Rays skipper Joe Maddon set his rotation for after the All-Star break.

Diamondbacks SS Stephen Drew hopes the All-Star break doesn’t put a damper on his hot streak.

The Dodgers pitching staff is looking forward to the All-Star break.

Giants slugger Barry Bonds wants to play in 2008.

The Indians hope to enter the All-Star break on a high note.

Mariners rookie Eric O’Flaherty is getting the job done in the bullpen.

Renyel Pinto has become the Marlins left-handed setup guy.

After benching Jose Reyes, Mets skipper Willie Randolph wants his team to hustle all the time.

Nationals 1B Dimitri Young is having a career year at the plate.

Orioles pitcher Erik Bedard tied a club record with 15 strikeouts in 3-0 win over Texas on Saturday.

The Padres activated Milton Bradley from the DL on before Saturday’s game.

Brett Myers is ready for the next step in his return to the Phillies.

Pirates starter Paul Maholm’s adjustments in his delivery are paying dividends for him.

The Rangers shook up their roster a little before the All-Star break.

The Reds shook up their bullpen before the All-Star break.

The Rockies bench has given them a big boost so far this season.

Mike Sweeney won’t return to the Royals until August at the earliest.

The Tigers are packing the fans in at Comerica Park this season.

Twins catcher Mike Redmond shook off his head injury and was back in the lineup on Saturday.

John Danks is hoping to pitch 200 innings for the White Sox this season.

The Yankees’ Johnny Damon won’t let his injuries affect his speed.