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What Was Jim Rice Thinking?

April 5th, 2007 by Ian · 8 Comments ·

When your asked by someone who thinks you deserve to be in the Baseball Hall of Fame, you don’t go and make an ass of yourself. Former Red Sox OF Jim Rice was invited by Pawtucket Red Sox owner, Ben Monder, to speak at the Pawsox luncheon that introduced the players to the media and the fans. Former Sox player Bob Montgomery moderated the Q&A.

Basically Rice told the players that it was ok to cheat and to be greedy. By cheating though, he didn’t mean for the players to take steroids but to use other measures to get ahead in the game. Not something you’d expect from a guy whose trying to get into the Hall of Fame. Back in the day, he was a a self-proclaimed “Bad Guy” but has since toned down his act since he’s an analyst for the Red Sox on NESN.

So let’s take a look at the comments that came out of Rice’s mouth.

Montgomery asked Rice what his brightest moment was as a major-leaguer, and he answered by telling the audience it was helping the Red Sox reach the World Series in 1975 as a rookie. He was then asked if he had any advice for the PawSox’ players, and he went on a six-minute rant, with a swagger that suddenly emerged. “You have to trust yourself, he said. “You’ve got to work twice as hard, and to me, if I was one of the players right now, I would be a selfish player.

He began to explain that today’s players take spring training for granted because of all the amenities and state-of-the-art equipment. Rice said he saw some things during this year’s spring training that he didn’t like. He said if he was playing today he wouldn’t be sitting in his room watching television; he would be at the ballpark taking batting practice.

“This is my 36th year of marriage to the same woman,” he said. “If I had to do it all over again, I would have been divorced 10 years or 20 years ago because I would have been at the ballpark. There is so much money now to be made in the game of baseball, and you have this ability to play the game, why not take advantage of it? It’s out there. Go get it. They’re not going to give it to you; you’ve got to earn it.

More of Rice’s comments after the jump.

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“Who says you have to play for the Boston Red Sox?” he added. “You’ve got so many teams. If you put the numbers up, you’ve got a chance to play for someone else. The whole thing is to say, I. played’ major-league baseball. I don’t care if I played for the Red Sox, the Chicago White Sox or Detroit. I spent 15 years in the major leagues and enjoyed it.

“I don’t want a cup of coffee. I don’t want a doughnut. I want the American Express Gold. I was talking with Manny (Ramirez) and Manny was telling me this: Jimmy, everyone is talking about me selling my grill. I’m a businessman.’ And that’s what it is. Get your money in the big leagues and become a businessman that’s the bottom line.”

Rice explained how players can make it to the big leagues, but the hard part is staying there.

“You have to learn how to stay,” he said. “What do I have to do? If I’ve got to cheat, I got to cheat. I don’t care. I want to be in the big leagues.”

That comment drew a loud moan from the crowd, and Rice quickly responded.

“I’m not talking about steroids or anything like that,” he said. “It’s like this here. This is what I mean by cheating in baseball. Men, I don’t know about women because you guys are pretty and can always find a boyfriend. Anyway, men, if you’re fighting and this kid is taking your lunch money every day, are you going to cheat? Yeah, I’m going to bring my baseball bat in the next day. That’s cheating. So it’s the same thing with baseball.”

Rice tried to explain himself again, saying if a hitter always has success against a certain pitcher, that pitcher will start using pine tar on the ball or putting water on his pants in order to soak the ball.

“It’s not cheating,” he said. “It’s having an advantage. I’m not going to be happy sitting in Triple-A 4, 5, 6 or 7 years when I know in my heart I’m better than that guy in the big leagues, and he’s cheating and I’m not can’t do it. You’ve got to find some way of getting yourself in the big leagues.”

He talked about mastering a pitch or learning how to hit. He ended his rant by telling the players there are only a couple of things they need to know.

“There are two things they should always remember,” he said. “The first and the 15th, because that’s when they get paid; you have to remember that.”

“When it came to the team, I was a team player,” said Rice. “When it came to talking to the writers, I was a bad guy. I was a bad guy because I didn’t want any glory. I wanted my team to have the glory. But, when I screwed up, I was there.”

“That’s the way I was,” said Rice. “I’m a team guy. I got paid to play baseball. I didn’t want the glory. When you win, you win as a team. When we lost, I lost. The main thing was to take the pressure off the other guys. Some guys can handle pressure, other guys can’t handle pressure. I was fortunate to have a strong back and I can handle the pressure. I did not want the glory. I’m a leader, but I’m not a front-runner. I’m one of those guys who sit back and makes sure everyone is OK. That’s old school.”

Montgomery had this to add about Rice:

“That statement he made today about himself was accurate,” said Bob Montgomery. “He knew what his job was and knew how he had to go about getting his job done. He didn’t want to sit around and look into cameras and talk into microphones. But he was also accurate when he said if he messed up you could find him. He wasn’t one of those guys who would talk to you when he had a great day and you couldn’t find him when he went 0-for-5 with three strikeouts. He was always there when there was a discussion relative to his play. Unfortunately there were one or two (writers) he crossed ways with, and they started to tell everybody else, a writer in another city, and they wouldn’t talk to (Jim). They would listen to those writers that he was a really bad guy. He’s not a bad guy at all. He’s as personable as you want him to be.”

This is not really a bright move by one of the Red Sox greats. What makes it more interesting to me is that not too much of the national media has picked up on this. I also have to wonder if NESN will suspend him at all for his comments.

4-6 Update: Here is a link to the video of the event. There was obviously no punishment for Rice about his comments because he is in the studio for the postgame show at NESN.

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8 Comments so far ↓


  • Seth

    You may not like Jim Rice, but there’s a guy I’d want on my team.

  • Ian

    I would definitely want him on my team too. I was just very surprised that he would say something like that is all.

  • Jay

    I think those comments can be interpreted a few different ways. What it sounds like he was essentially saying was that there is no level playing field and there should be no shame in doing whatever you need to do to be successful. He said himself he wasn’t advocating steroid use. Baseball has always historically been a game of trying to get that edge over your opponent, from scuffing the ball to steal signs to pine tar to corked bats. Maybe he wasn’t politically correct, but he was saying there’s no shame doing whatever you have to do on that field to be successful.

    And it sounded like that comment about divorcing his wife was tongue-in-cheek. Anybody married to someone for 36 years has to have a sense of humor about it. And as far as the money comment, that’s the truth. Anyone who has the chance to make MILLIONS should do whatever they have to do.

    And, by the way, this man deserves a spot in the Hall of Fame. No question about it.

  • TC

    Jim Rice was a great player and I think if writers really honestly think about what he’s saying, he’s not saying anything that others maybe just don’t have the cojones to say. Yeah, it might be a bit crass, and really, I don’t think that he was endorsing using steroids. I can’t read his mind but that’s what I believe. How many sports fans don’t really want their players to take any advantage of opportunities to play or better their status in the game? If you honestly think about it, I think most would agree with Jim. Jim’s just talking honestly and more power to him. If people don’t like it, they should just know that they’re paying these guys’ salaries. They’re complicit in this. Yeah, I’m not a big fan of the greed in the game, but it’s a real aspect of pro sports in the United States. If people think Jim was out of line in saying this, I think they just need to look deeper into their own hearts and wonder if they haven’t thought the same things. And yeah, Jim was a rock on those late ’70s, early ’80s Boston teams. I’ll leave the HOF debate out of my consideration for now, but he was certainly one of the premier hitters in the game for some years.

  • jack kerouac

    hey ian, take it from a dead wordsmith: try not to make a grammatical mistake until the third word of your next adventure.

  • Daniel

    This is much ado about absolutely nothing at all. He explicitly said that he is not advocating the use of steroids. The suggestion that he might or should be suspended by NESN is absolutely laughable. He said nothing wrong whatsoever. The vast majority of his talk was about having the drive to succeed in this game, and being motivated by the huge salaries that are paid if you make it to the majors and succeed.

    I might have a problem if he had defined cheating as corking his bat against a pitcher who is using pine tar or something but what he was really talking about, as another poster mentioned above, is the fact that there is a perpetual battle between pitcher and batter, and he’s saying that you’ve got to WANT to be better and do what it takes to make it by winning those battles most of the time.

  • Dave Balon

    Where’s the issue here?

    As always, Big Jim is just layin’ it out there straight up.

    Jim Ed is cool.

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